David Vs. Goliath: Startups and Big Tech, Which Trumps Which? – hackernoon.com


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@techleadPatrick Shyu

YouTuber (500k subs), Ex-Google/ex-Facebook Tech Lead.

Ex-Google TechLead explains differences between working at a tech startup and a large company, and their pros & cons.

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hey tech leech here and welcome back to

00:01

another episode of the tech lead today

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we’re going to talk about a very

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fascinating interesting topic startups

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versus big tech companies it is coffee

00:10

time with the tech lead I am the tech

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lead at Google tech lead by the way

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let’s have a sip here not bad not bad at

00:20

all now sunny cooler let me just clarify

00:24

something for you if you are working in

00:27

tech adult and I think that you’re gonna

00:29

be doing great you’re gonna be doing

00:30

good and no choice is really going to be

00:32

a bad choice and startup or big tech

00:34

company it’s all good really now I have

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worked in a combination of startups as

00:38

well as at Google as an X Google tech

00:41

lead and they’re very different in some

00:44

ways but they’re also very similar the

00:45

quality of life that you get your

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overall standard of living it’s about

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you I would say for an average person

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it’s probably gonna be 15 to 25 bucks or

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something like that and one of the best

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parts is that there’s no contract you’re

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not locked into anything you know I

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remember when I was trying to become a

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world citizen travel all over the place

01:26

and embrace that mobile lifestyle one of

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the things I was really locking me down

01:30

was my cell phone service it was just

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tying me to the u.s. tied me down there

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with that one or two-year cell phone

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contract and that was one thing that

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kept weighing on me so with t-mobile you

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thank me later you know no matter

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whether you’re working at a startup or a

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big tech company you’re gonna be having

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a pretty sweet comfy job you’re gonna go

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and you work at the computer you do some

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typing do some code spend some time

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surfing the net surfing reddit play some

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ping pong you may

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have to pay for your online tour you may

02:14

get some lunch catered and by the way

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the food that these large tech companies

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are not necessarily better there may

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simply just be more variety but it’s all

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going to be buffet style food and often

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is quite easy to beat any of the sweet

02:26

just go to any restaurant and the food

02:28

quality is already going to be beaten

02:29

supposedly they like to advertise that

02:31

they’ve got all-star chefs but in order

02:33

to feed thousands of people it’s just

02:36

going to cost way too much they’re gonna

02:38

end up using more basic ingredients trip

02:40

ingredients and then do it buffet style

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and you’re not going to want to eat too

02:43

much food anyway it’s not gonna be

02:45

healthy for you just gonna get

02:46

overweight essentially most of the time

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no matter where you are you’re going to

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be working at the computer doing some

02:51

code across startups and big tech

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companies is going to be similar now

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let’s talk about the main differences

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here one is going to be compensation

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compensation at a tech company a public

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tech company is going to be well-known

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it’s going to be fixed

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you’re gonna know exactly what you’re

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getting is a public company and when you

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get stuck you’re gonna know for sure

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that that’s going to be worth something

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when you go into a start-up you don’t

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really know what the value of that stock

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is going to be and oftentimes it’s going

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to be a complete mystery it’s going to

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be completely obfuscated for you and

03:20

startups have a bunch of different ways

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to screw you over they can dilute the

03:24

stock they can kick you out fire you

03:25

before they IPO they can delay their IPO

03:28

intentionally and force you to stick

03:29

around and stay at the company and work

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longer they can tell you that you have a

03:32

million shares but it really there could

03:34

be a hundred trillion shares outstanding

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and many companies simply aren’t going

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to tell you what percentage of the

03:40

company you truly own and even if you

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were to somehow find that out which you

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probably won’t be able to find out most

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companies I’ve seen they never quite

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tell you exactly what percentage you own

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even if you do find out they’re just

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going to devalue that when you finally

03:53

leave the company when you quit

03:54

oftentimes they’ll say that you have to

03:56

exercise these stock options within a

03:58

certain amount of time like saying you

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got three months to use that up and when

04:02

you do exercise those options you’re

04:04

going to have to pay tons of taxes on

04:05

this stuff if the company never IPOs and

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it could take ten years before the

04:10

company actually IPOs you’ve just paid a

04:12

bunch of money on stock and you’ve taken

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a big risk you don’t really know what

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you’re getting sometimes this stuff all

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pans out maybe you’ll get some money but

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oftentimes it’s not necessarily going to

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be life-changing money I’m known

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scenarios where I’ve joined companies

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actually in other

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people join companies and then the

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startup eventually gets acquired right

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acquisition happens more commonly than

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IPOs and in an acquisition everybody

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gets some payment for their stock it’s

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not all that much it’s not really

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life-changing money you might be like 50

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K right 60 K something like that

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if you’re lucky it could be more if

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you’re not lucky it could be less one

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thing that a lot of engineers don’t know

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is that even if your engineer number one

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at the company you could already be

04:53

getting less than say 1% of the company

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you would be putting in as much work if

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not more work than the founders and

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still the founders would have like 99%

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of the company you would have one

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percent or even 0.1% by the time your

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employee numbers say ten or twenty your

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ownership would already be point zero

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zero zero one percent or something like

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that

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it would be a minuscule amount and

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that’s just a culture of startups

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personally I got so disgusted by all of

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this one time I remember I had the

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business partner a friend and we were

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going to start a company together and

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then he said that yeah we would be 50/50

05:26

partners except he wanted 50.1% and I

05:29

would get 49.9% I just thought why why

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not just 5050 and he was so insistent on

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this point that it smelled fishy to me

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and I backed out of the whole deal and I

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didn’t start the business because I

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figured that he could just say well

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let’s take a vote should I get kicked

05:44

out of the company after I feel

05:46

everything yeah let’s take a vote he’s

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got 51% ownership oh yeah he wins I mean

05:50

he could just kick me out he can do

05:52

whatever he wants now it’s just our

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pretty tricky and I remember there were

05:55

even times in my life when I just sort

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of said to myself I don’t like startups

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I don’t want to work at them and if I

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were gonna work I would rather work

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either for a large tech company or I

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would found the company on my own and

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those would be the options I would be

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going for now having said that let’s

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talk about some of the good things about

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startups because I’ve worked out a few

06:15

of them and there’s some good things

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about them one is the challenges are

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going to be very different between

06:20

start-up and large tech company large

06:22

tech company you often work in a large

06:24

code base a lot of the challenges are

06:25

going to be organizational you’re going

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to have to deal with a lot of people

06:28

cross-functional teams and there’s going

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to be a ton of code and people blocking

06:32

everything that you’re trying to do and

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in a small tech company in a start-up

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you’re going to have a lot more freedom

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and anything you want to do

06:39

anything you want to try just not going

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to be a lot of people standing away you

06:43

want to try something you have the

06:45

flexibility to try that and that goes

06:47

for rolls as well so if you don’t really

06:49

want to be an engineer let’s say you

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want to be more of a product manager or

06:53

designer or prototype or in a large tech

06:56

company it would be an entire shift in

06:58

careers you would have to get the proper

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approvals maybe even do an interview

07:02

just so that you could do some p.m. work

07:03

however in its small startup you’re

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gonna have a lot more freedoms to take

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on any role that you want and in this

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sense I would say that there may even be

07:12

better career mobility for example if

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you wanted to get into management it may

07:16

take a lot of effort to get into say

07:18

senior management at Google right that

07:21

would require you proving yourself and

07:22

everything but if you were to go to a

07:24

start-up you could probably get a

07:26

management role quite easily because the

07:28

requirements just aren’t as strict you

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can start building up your experience

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and over a number of years you would

07:33

have that experience and then you can

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transfer into large tech company like

07:36

Google and do management there and you

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would already have built up a lot of

07:39

that experience if that were your

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interest and so if there were areas in

07:43

your career that you want to do develop

07:45

more into a startup may be a good path

07:47

for that and that’s really what a

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startup is good for I would say it’s

07:50

learning so I would recommend this if

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you are a junior engineer or even if

07:56

you’re not and you want to get some more

07:58

experience and learn and build your

08:00

skills in a certain technology there may

08:02

be a field that you’re interested in

08:03

getting more until you think it’s cool

08:05

and you want to do that then the startup

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is a great way to do that the worst

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reason to join the startup is because

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you think as a library ticket and it’s

08:13

going to make you rich and you hate the

08:14

work and you’re not trying to learn

08:15

anything but you’re just doing that

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currently for the money because in that

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scenario I would say I startup there’s a

08:21

little chance it’s going to work out for

08:22

you if I you curveballs money the other

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thing I might mention here is that I

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don’t think money is the proper

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motivation number one if you’re a junior

08:29

engineer say either way your pace look I

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know it sounds like a lot for you now

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but it’s not going to make a difference

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for you in a few years when you look

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back on that salary range that you’re at

08:39

just spend your time trying to learn and

08:41

guide your career in the direction that

08:43

you want it to go to but trying to argue

08:45

and optimize for a few thousand bucks

08:47

here and there it’s just not really the

08:49

right time to be doing that because

08:50

you’re really splitting pennies at

08:52

point the other great thing about

08:53

startups is they can be a little bit

08:55

more closed now I remember I worked in a

08:57

start-up with one of my professors and

08:59

during the company holiday party it was

09:02

just us with our spouses or girlfriends

09:04

or boyfriends or whatever and there just

09:06

felt more like a family the office was

09:08

like the professor’s living room you

09:10

don’t really get this sort of dynamic

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when you’re in a larger company in which

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it’s an open door right people are

09:15

coming and going all the time and

09:17

there’s tons of people that you may be

09:18

interacting with you don’t really get to

09:20

know anybody really that well sometimes

09:22

people just get fired to just disappear

09:25

randomly and that just seems to happen

09:27

sometimes

09:28

so overall let me put it this way I

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think that if you can get into a large

09:31

tech company then you might as well try

09:33

and it’s good to explore your options

09:35

and see what you can get

09:36

but startups are great too you can learn

09:39

a lot there develop your skills and

09:40

experience there are some good

09:42

connections get to know some people

09:43

there and overall it’s probably going to

09:45

be a pretty good time working there

09:46

because it’s not like going to a large

09:49

tech company like Google you’re gonna

09:50

have a 10 times better experience there

09:53

it’s not quite like that it’s more like

09:54

it’s just bigger it’s not like the food

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is 10 times better it’s not like the

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computers are 10 times more powerful

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it’s still essentially the same stuff

10:02

the same environment that you’re working

10:03

in maybe for lunch instead of having a

10:06

single item on the menu you may have 10

10:08

different items on the menu but you

10:09

still just pick one thing to eat when

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you interact with people and self

10:12

interacting with five people you may

10:14

have to interact with 50 people when you

10:17

work on a codebase it would just be a

10:18

larger codebase and the office overall

10:20

may be larger instead of having a single

10:22

building there may be 10 different

10:24

buildings that are interconnected but

10:26

you still end up going to a single

10:27

building your small little desk whenever

10:29

you’re going to work in that sense the

10:31

work environment is similar and often in

10:33

many scenarios a startups work

10:35

environment the facilities the bathrooms

10:38

the kitchens that stuff can actually be

10:39

better and higher quality than what you

10:41

may find that large tech companies I

10:43

will say that for a lot of people it

10:44

might make sense at some point once

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you’ve learned enough once you’ve

10:47

developed enough experience that you may

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want to prioritize compensation maybe

10:52

make sure that you’ve got some real

10:53

money on the table that you can lock in

10:55

there maybe tackle some different types

10:57

of technical problems and challenges

10:59

those that have to do with larger code

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bases dealing with many different types

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of people you know that

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interesting challenge in itself and also

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just add some more options to your lunch

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menu those are all things that larger

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tech companies will be able to offer you

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so it may not be a bad idea to consider

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those two at some point I mean the way

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you think about startups versus large

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companies in the comments below if you

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